I'm also an immigrant, and I discovered the ladies when I was still in academia, amid woke-speak and the #resistance, so their incisive & often funny takedowns of the libs felt refreshing. However, as time went by, I got an inkling that their racist, classist & trad-leaning “jokes” weren't so ironic, and I stopped listening to the pod. But I'd still tune in every now & then to see what they were up to. (After all, I live in a cow-town & they did introduce me to cool artists, writers & whatnot :) Unfortunately, not only did they lose their edge & humor & maxxed their vapid personas, but they became a megaphone for the most noxious brand of American nihilism. In other words, the shtick wasn't funny anymore.
The last drop for me, too, was Dasha's appearance on "Doomscroll." It's so irresponsible of them to deny their political influence by hiding behind the "dumb bitch/mom brain," or in Dasha's case, "just an entertainer" shield. I remember when they had Amber A'Lee Frost in the show, and at one point, Amber said: "Anna, when did you become so antisocial?" to which Anna replied: "I'm not" – followed by some variation of: “I'm just a realist and I don't fool myself regarding human nature” (people = garbage.) I 💯 disagree with Dasha’s take that we become naturally more conservative as we age. If anything, I think we become more pro-social.
At the end of the day, I felt conflicted about voicing my alarm because the pile-on they were getting was so misogynistic & because I think we’ve all felt a mixture of awe & envy (Dasha is so cute!), so I questioned my motives. Long-story short, this 2-part series was very validating, and I'm glad you're brave enough to face the RS fans/goons.
Love the podcast and really appreciate this unplanned mini series on Red Scare. I used to listen to them like five years ago because I thought they were cool (I'm 38 male, and did not grow up in the US). However in 2020 I stopped listening to them. Not because of some great insight or anything, just from a gut feeling I knew in some place I did not want to hear their cynicism about the BLM protests of the summer of that year. In some way, at least emotionally I knew I will not like what they had to say. I have no clue if I was wrong or not, but after that I heard only a handful of episode. So, even though the thesis of them loosing their mind during the pandemic makes a lot of sense, perhaps there was already something there even before COVID?
yeah i think there was no real transformation — not deep down where it counts. reminds me of something. we need to repost the first ep we did, which was on russia today and its dominant culture of political cynicism and the negation of politics. it was right during the blm period that we recorded it. red scare really fits into that world.
Reminds me a little of JD Vance now saying Christianity is about taking care of your family and immediate community first and that the far left are crazy for caring about people in other countries.
19:00 mins in and the whole “i’m just a mom” is giving me shades of rogans “who me ? I’m just a meathead ! Don’t take medical advice from me 🤷♂️”. All the while being one of the most highly paid media figures on the planet with a massive and dedicated following. These figures are incredible influential and yet play the whole rebel on the sidelines shtick. Risking everything to tell the truth so that the listener can be truly informed. By the way would u like to buy a fleshlight manufactured by a company owned by warrior poet who changed his name after an ayahuasca retreat to fucking AUBREY ??? The whole thing is both infuriating and depressing. Its also indicative of these figures not receiving one iota of pushback on their very public platforms.
ha. want to be our booking agent? what's interesting is that it seems we're the only ones with any sort of platform pushing back against the poison that RS spreads specifically. a lot of people with big platforms in that world are supportive in private but are more or less quiet and passive publicly.
Suburban commentary bit hit home 100%....grew up in white flight okc, moved there right before the Penn Square bank crisis that brought down THE COUNTRY.... from there.... only was saved by the hum drum life by getting interested in what the fuck was really happening when the Murrah Bombing happened (worked downtown...) and then off to a crazy adventure.... searching for meaning...in and out of circles....wild as hell ride... don't apologize at all for your commentary, you get it!!! Keep analyzing this stuff, lots originates in these weird corners... like this new version of Protestant Work Ethic: https://youtu.be/_wBTdNR0qjE
I'm also an immigrant, and I discovered the ladies when I was still in academia, amid woke-speak and the #resistance, so their incisive & often funny takedowns of the libs felt refreshing. However, as time went by, I got an inkling that their racist, classist & trad-leaning “jokes” weren't so ironic, and I stopped listening to the pod. But I'd still tune in every now & then to see what they were up to. (After all, I live in a cow-town & they did introduce me to cool artists, writers & whatnot :) Unfortunately, not only did they lose their edge & humor & maxxed their vapid personas, but they became a megaphone for the most noxious brand of American nihilism. In other words, the shtick wasn't funny anymore.
The last drop for me, too, was Dasha's appearance on "Doomscroll." It's so irresponsible of them to deny their political influence by hiding behind the "dumb bitch/mom brain," or in Dasha's case, "just an entertainer" shield. I remember when they had Amber A'Lee Frost in the show, and at one point, Amber said: "Anna, when did you become so antisocial?" to which Anna replied: "I'm not" – followed by some variation of: “I'm just a realist and I don't fool myself regarding human nature” (people = garbage.) I 💯 disagree with Dasha’s take that we become naturally more conservative as we age. If anything, I think we become more pro-social.
At the end of the day, I felt conflicted about voicing my alarm because the pile-on they were getting was so misogynistic & because I think we’ve all felt a mixture of awe & envy (Dasha is so cute!), so I questioned my motives. Long-story short, this 2-part series was very validating, and I'm glad you're brave enough to face the RS fans/goons.
You guys are great
Love the podcast and really appreciate this unplanned mini series on Red Scare. I used to listen to them like five years ago because I thought they were cool (I'm 38 male, and did not grow up in the US). However in 2020 I stopped listening to them. Not because of some great insight or anything, just from a gut feeling I knew in some place I did not want to hear their cynicism about the BLM protests of the summer of that year. In some way, at least emotionally I knew I will not like what they had to say. I have no clue if I was wrong or not, but after that I heard only a handful of episode. So, even though the thesis of them loosing their mind during the pandemic makes a lot of sense, perhaps there was already something there even before COVID?
yeah i think there was no real transformation — not deep down where it counts. reminds me of something. we need to repost the first ep we did, which was on russia today and its dominant culture of political cynicism and the negation of politics. it was right during the blm period that we recorded it. red scare really fits into that world.
Reminds me a little of JD Vance now saying Christianity is about taking care of your family and immediate community first and that the far left are crazy for caring about people in other countries.
well the red scare women love jd vance
Love hearing you guys compliment each other. That is all
19:00 mins in and the whole “i’m just a mom” is giving me shades of rogans “who me ? I’m just a meathead ! Don’t take medical advice from me 🤷♂️”. All the while being one of the most highly paid media figures on the planet with a massive and dedicated following. These figures are incredible influential and yet play the whole rebel on the sidelines shtick. Risking everything to tell the truth so that the listener can be truly informed. By the way would u like to buy a fleshlight manufactured by a company owned by warrior poet who changed his name after an ayahuasca retreat to fucking AUBREY ??? The whole thing is both infuriating and depressing. Its also indicative of these figures not receiving one iota of pushback on their very public platforms.
Also - i’d love for both of u guys to be guests on other leftist podcasts. The right is fantastic at this.
ha. want to be our booking agent? what's interesting is that it seems we're the only ones with any sort of platform pushing back against the poison that RS spreads specifically. a lot of people with big platforms in that world are supportive in private but are more or less quiet and passive publicly.
Yeh for sure. Plus amongst all the podcasts i watch/listen to the red scare never even gets mentioned.
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Suburban commentary bit hit home 100%....grew up in white flight okc, moved there right before the Penn Square bank crisis that brought down THE COUNTRY.... from there.... only was saved by the hum drum life by getting interested in what the fuck was really happening when the Murrah Bombing happened (worked downtown...) and then off to a crazy adventure.... searching for meaning...in and out of circles....wild as hell ride... don't apologize at all for your commentary, you get it!!! Keep analyzing this stuff, lots originates in these weird corners... like this new version of Protestant Work Ethic: https://youtu.be/_wBTdNR0qjE
it wasn’t just covid, people were calling them third position by episode three, it’s always been there
and I allowed to like you guys but also like Anna K?
https://youtu.be/dw_JEJ3n_uA?si=azSeevSvJfo4ySs6
This is pretty good. What is it?
short analysis I put together, was chatting about it w/ some folks.... figured I'd try 'n summarize